Bug Reporting

This is where I’m tracking the known errors of the breviary that need to be fixed. Please add any that you encounter in the comments, I’ll add them to the list and we’ll get them fixed…

Known Errors

  • Some of the antiphons on the Gospel canticles are aligned with the Roman Mass Lectionary rather than the Revised Common Lectionary (7/12/11)
  • Some of the antiphons on the Gospel canticles lack a Rite I version (7/12/11)
  • Some of the preferences are not “taking” (Which ones? Has anyone experienced this?) (7/12/11)
  • Change “Ghost” to “Spirit” in Rite II conclusion to MP/EP (7/18/11)
  • Some of the antiphons on the Gospel canticles are misaligned. I think this error was caused by a re-sort in the antiphon table which changed the numbers of some of them (7/29/11)
  1. Tom Harbold
    July 18, 2011 at 1:10 am

    This isn’t really a “bug” per se, but it’s a… weakness, shall we call it, in the otherwise Most Extreme and Complete Excellence of the St. Bede Breviary. And that is the font formatting, specifically, the spacing of words and letters. It’s way too wide! Makes it unnecessarily hard to read. Is there anything you can do to tighten it up a little? Frankly, that’s something that will effect how often I decide to use the Breviary, and that would be a shame, ’cause it is otherwise superb. Many thanks for listening, and many prayers for your work!

  2. July 18, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Hi Tom,

    I’m not exactly sure what you mean. My suspicion is that we may have a “font family” issue here…

    When setting fonts in web styling, the programmer only has a certain amount of control because I don’t know what fonts are installed on your system. Thus, I set up a font stack where the browser will look at each of the recommended fonts in order and display the first one in the list that it actually has. The key issue, of course, is that Windows/Mac/Linux machines don’t have a lot of font overlap. Thus, I’m wondering if the breviary doesn’t render as well as it could based on the operating system you’re using.

    Here’s the breviary’s current font stack: “Goudy Old Style”, Garamond, “Hoefler Text”, Palatino, “Palatino Linotype”, serif

    The thing that will help the most is to let me know what OS and what browser you’re using. Also, if you can do a screen print/capture and send an image file to the breviary’s webmaster address, that’ll help me figure out what’s going wrong and how I can fix it.

  3. Caelius Spinator
    July 30, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I’m not sure if it’s a bug, but the Antiphons for 30 July MP House Lectionary were Common of Virgins, yet the feast is William Wilberforce, a married man with six children.

  4. July 30, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Yep, Caelius, that’s a bug; we had a similar problem yesterday with—I believe—Transfiguration antiphons for Mary and Martha. I’ve added it up top and will try to address it this week.

  5. Bill Loring+
    September 3, 2011 at 4:51 am

    This is more an editorial issue than a bug, but after your defense of eves and commemorations I am disappointed that you adopt the modern RC practice of ignoring the eves of simple feasts. In Sarum they all had I Vespers unless displaced by II Vespers of a higher ranking feast (in some special cases a feast of equal rank) and then were nearly always commemorated. (Some discussions suggest simples did not have II Vespers,but the preponderance of the evidence is that they did, though a I V. of a following feast would usually displace it.)

  6. September 3, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    I set up a new page for the discussion of editorial decisions like this one. The short answer is that I’m not following modern Roman practice, I’m following the ’79 BCP. It allows eves for Holy Days and doesn’t mention them otherwise. I *suppose* a case could be made that since the Days of Optional Observance are all optional, one can opt to celebrate them as you will, but I think that’d be contrary to how the vast majority of the church observes them.

    What texts are you referring to when you say “a preponderance of evidence” regarding II Vespers for Sarum Simples?

  7. Bill Loring+
    October 1, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    This error message:
    Fatal error: Call to a member function free() on a non-object in D:\Hosting\5261249\html\breviary\MP_79_BCP.php on line 409
    appears once or twice a week after Venite and before the Psalms,
    abruptly rnds the Office. My preference settings are Rite I with 1979 Psalter
    following the Lectionary.

  8. bls
    October 1, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I got this, too, today: Morning Prayer, Bare-bones, Rite 1, As Printed in the 1979:

    The Psalm or Psalms Appointed

    Fatal error: Call to a member function free() on a non-object inD:\Hosting\5261249\html\breviary\MP_79_BCP.php on line 409

  9. Derek
    October 2, 2011 at 1:39 am

    Got it–just got back home from SCP meeting and had a chance to glance at it. It’s an issue with how it handle the two psalms appointed in the Daily Office Lectionary: that one had specific verses and the other didn’t.

    I need to reprogram the psalm-picking logic to account for these cases.

  10. William Loring
    October 4, 2011 at 4:11 am

    The same error appeared again when I looked ahead to tomorrow morning’s office (10/4/11).
    Incidnetally I didn’t specify before bur I use Rite I with anitphons =– I note the roor is also reported for barebones.

  11. Derek
    October 4, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Today’s issue was a trailing comma in the lectionary file–it’s fixed. (Because it’s a lectionary issue, it doesn’t impact those who use the 30 day psalm cycle.)

  12. William Loring
    October 5, 2011 at 4:47 am

    Congratulations on a quick fix of the script problem; but (I hate buts, but here it is anyway) the cost of losing Pss. 123 in the morning and 127 in the evening was more than I wanted to pay. My choice to use the Lectionary form of the Psalter does not reflect a desire to say less than the full Psalter, but a preference for the more topical arrangement.

  13. October 5, 2011 at 4:51 am

    After I’d made the fix I went back to lectionary and figured out that those two psalms had been dropped. The lack of the psalms is the presenting problem; the real problem is the field length in the database. I can increase the size, but that’ll take a little bit longer. It’ll be right 7 weeks from now (when these roll around again…).

  14. William Loring
    November 3, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    I noted three bugs this week (using Rite I with KJV and Lectionary Psalter):

    On Monday MP Psalm 55 was listed as first psalm but text not provided; actually it is not in the Lectionary for that day at all. (I think this happened 7 weeks ago too.)

    On All Saints MP the first Lesson was listed as 4 Esdras (which is an alternate title) but KJV and (if memory serves. I don’t have it handy) NRSV both cite the book as 2 Esdras — and thus the text did not come up in the Office.

    In all the All Saints offices the phrase “follow thy blessed saints” in the Collect had ‘who’ instead of ‘thy’.

    • November 5, 2011 at 1:56 am

      I corrected 2 of these but need to get the first. There was also an extra ‘thy’ in the collect for Proper 26 which I also fixed.


  15. William Loring
    November 17, 2011 at 5:12 am

    Looking ahead for tomorrow morning I noticed that your script missed out on Hugh and Robert of Lincoln for the heading, the antiphons, and the Collect.

    I haven’t listed incidences but I have noted some inconsistency in the citation of the psalms; usually the psalm number and incipit are given, but occasionally they are missing — never a major issue, but sometimes a bit awkward.

  16. William Loring
    November 18, 2011 at 3:56 am

    How nice to find Hugh and Robert waiting for me this morning!

    • November 18, 2011 at 4:28 am

      Thanks for letting me know so I could have them there for you! 🙂

  17. Diane Amison-Loring
    November 20, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Hi Derek,
    Next week is Advent Sunday, not tomorrow.
    Remember the old verse: St. Andrew opens up the door, three days later or three days before.

    • November 20, 2011 at 2:01 am

      Hi Diane,
      You’re quite right! Unfortunately I’m away from the computer this weekend and can’t get the fix in tonight.

  18. William Loring
    November 22, 2011 at 4:34 am

    The seventh week of each psalm cycle still seems to raise problems. Our old error message, “Fatal error: Call to a member function free() on a non-object in D:\Hosting\5261249\html\breviary\MP_79_BCP.php on line 409”
    is back for both MP and EP tomorrow (11/22).

  19. November 22, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Got it. It was the truncated length of the psalms field… I expanded it and put 123 and 127 back in. It should be good for today; now I need to reload the Yr 2 table to make sure it’s fixed there as well.

  20. William Loring
    November 25, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Huntinton is on 11/25 and Juan de la Cruz on 12/14 (in our Calendar) so why are they cluttering up Thanksgiving? I guess it’s too late to fool with today, but can we also find them on their proper days?

    • November 25, 2011 at 5:14 pm

      They’re bleeding through from the Knox/American Missals and the OHC ordo respectively. Yes, they’re on the other days as well.

  21. William Loring
    November 25, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    What happened to yoour script? Thanksgiving is Thursday, but NOT Friday and Saturday.
    I guess its off to St. Claire again,

    • November 25, 2011 at 5:12 pm

      Patient, aren’t we? 🙂

      It should be under control now.

  22. William Loring
    November 25, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    It;s just that we try to pray Mattins before (local) noon. 😉

  23. Bill Loring+
    November 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    My copy of the BCP does not have a “now” in the Advent Invitatory Antiphon..

  24. Bill Loring+
    November 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    It seems that yours doesn’t anymore either! Thanks 🙂

  25. November 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Fixed it this morning. 🙂

    (Rite II has a “now”.)

    • William Loring
      December 11, 2011 at 5:51 am

      Yes it does because “now draws” is rhythmically equivalent to “draweth”.

  26. Bill Loring+
    November 28, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    When the Office is read twice in the day, it is suggested that the Gospel Reading be used in the evening in Year One, and in the morning in Year Two. (BC P)
    I realize that suggestions are not the same as rules — and I know OHC flips this around too — but the breviary has just become much less useful for those of us who really try to follow the BCP Office.
    (On second thought. this is probably more an editing decision than a bug; but perhaps it’s just a buggy decision so I’ll post it here anyway.

  27. Bill Loring+
    January 6, 2012 at 5:05 am

    Epiphany has its own Invitatory antiphon! It does not use the general one for Incarnation.
    Also, since most breviaries did not use Venite on the day (because it occurred in the psalter — not a consideration for us I admit) I always use Jubilate Deo on this feast.

  28. January 6, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Thanks, Bill+; you’re a life-saver! The invitatory antiphon should be fixed in all versions.

    You know, aside from the 19th day of the month, I’ve never really figured out other logical places to fit in the Jubilate. I do remember reading a suggestion that it replace the Venite in the Christmas season, but I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a rationale for that. I’ll have to check around on this one.

  29. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    January 6, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    This is NOT a bug, but flows from your final comment above. Jubilate is certainly a suitable choice on the 19th of the month for those who use the 30-day psalter ( I don’t because I still get the complete psalter with the current lectionary). My usual choice is to use Jubilate on most Sundays and major feasts on the basis that the breviaries shortened the office on these days by omitting the suffrages and, since the BCP doesn’t give us that option I use the shorter invitatory instead.(and, of course, Jubilate was part of lauds on those days). BTW, with Jubilate I repeat the antiphon only after verses 2 and 4 and after Gloria Patri as this works better with the traditional invitatory melodies than repeating them after each verse..

  30. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    January 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    This is a bug, if only a minor one: Epiphany has its own opening sentences, and these are equally suitable at Evening Prayer (cf. the first rubric on pages 61 or 115

  31. Bill Loring+
    January 8, 2012 at 4:19 am

    One mightier than me [sic] … Really?

  32. Kenneth Bowles
    January 16, 2012 at 4:46 am

    Mobile version isn’t working for my Galaxy Tab (Verizon version) with Android 2.2 OS. The page locks and won’t move. I have to close the browser (Dolphin HD and the stock browser). My version of Android OS won’t update – has something to do with the Verizon part of the tablet.

    • January 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      That’s odd… I have an idea about what may fix this. I’ll work it up and shoot you an email.

  33. Philip Lowe, Jr.
    January 17, 2012 at 4:27 am

    There appears to be an error with the scripture readings chosen for Evening Prayer I for the Confession of St. Peter/St. Antony for 12/17/2012. I am using the Amplified version with the additional antiphons, readings and hymns. The reading from Isaiah is suppose to be 44: 9-20. The second reading says Revelation 21: 1-4, 9-14, but the reading beneath it is not the reading from Revelation. It is a reading from somewhere else.

    • January 17, 2012 at 3:52 pm

      The Isaiah reading actually is the correct one. This Evening is an Eve of an Apostle and the appointed readings are the aforementioned Isaiah and Revelation text. Yet you’re absolutely right about the problem with the Revelation text! I’ll get this tracked down.

      • January 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm

        Ok–I know what it is… I set up my Scripture parser so that if it ever encountered a passage that it couldn’t comprehend, it should drop in a section of Ecclus. 31 instead of spitting out garbage.

        That’s what it did here.

        I fixed the Revelation reference and it should be good to go now.

      • Bill Loring+
        January 22, 2012 at 4:14 am

        Actually the Isaiah reading is only optional along with the rest of the Common. In general I prefer to follow the Sarum analogy and use the ferial psalms (and with the BCP lessons) at first evensong except on Feasts of our Lord (and a few other greater doubles) to minimize interruptions to the course readings. I do, of course,use the proper (or appropriate common) antiphons..

  34. Bill Loring+
    January 22, 2012 at 4:19 am

    PS. Since I am attache to St. Paul’s Church I will keep the Conversion as a patronal Feast with the Pss. & readings from the common, so don ‘t change your practice on my account quite yet!

  35. Jon
    January 31, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I was just glancing at the OJN specific form of the office, and noticed that the psalms for today (Jan. 31) appeared to be the psalms for the 30th. However, I know OJN practice is to revert to the psalms appointed for the day (Ps: 61 & 62 this morning). I’m not sure if this is a bug or just an easier way to deal with the 31st for those on the 30-day psalm cycle, though.

    Also I didn’t see any mention of St. Francis de Sales in either the OJN specific office or the form that just uses the OJN ordo, but that makes some sense since OJN only commemorates that St. Francis at mass.

  36. Bill Loring+
    February 10, 2012 at 4:58 am

    I have been reciting more famiiar parts of the Office from memory without following the printed text very closely, and only just happened to notice that there is an error in the traditional Venite: the seventh line should read, “In his hand are ALL the corners of the earth,” (Caps added foe emphasis).

  37. February 13, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    I’m trying to configure it to the “1 morning reading/2 evening readings” option. But when I do this, the morning reading is from the OT and the evening readings are one from the OT and one from the NT. It seems to me that if only three readings are used daily, and we’re not “borrowing” a second OT reading from the other year, than we should have two NT readings and one OT reading every day.

  38. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    February 13, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    I’ve never tried that option, but it seems that it should default to NT (Epistle or Gospel according to the year) in the Morning, and OT (current year) + the other NT reading in the Evening

  39. February 14, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Hmmm… I think it ought to default to the correct OT reading in the morning with the epistle and gospel in the Evening of Year 1 and the gospel reading in the morning and the on-year OT and epistle reading in Yr 2.

    Clearly if it’s only three readings they should all be for the proper appointed year. Thanks for bringing this up—I’ll look into it!

  40. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    February 14, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Actually, the one in the morning, two in the evening, option is contrary to paragraph 2 on page 934, and even if that were not the case, the following paragraph requires the first lesson, when there are more than one, to be from the OT.
    Thus my proposed default above is ruled out by the first provision, and yours is contrary to both provisions.

    I personally think that the first provision is overly restrictive (especially in private recitation) but always prefer to use both testaments when reading two (or more) lessons.

    On the other hand, I don’t expect to use that option so do what you want!

  41. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    February 14, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Bill Loring+ :
    I have been reciting more famiiar parts of the Office from memory without following the printed text very closely, and only just happened to notice that there is an error in the traditional Venite: the seventh line should read, “In his hand are ALL the corners of the earth,” (Caps added for emphasis).

    So this is a minor point; I know what to say anyway, but I’d like to see the BCP text in the Breviary.

    • February 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm

      Fixed that (and a few other wording oddities.)

  42. Derek
    February 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Psalm issue this morning–temporarily fixed by deleting the ref to Ps 107; will restore by fuller fix when I have computer access…

  43. William Loring
    February 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Thanks for picking up on those wording oddities!
    Here’s another one that I do not recall happening in past Psalm cycles but today Psalm 107, Part 2 simply wasn’t there. Did it get missed in the process of tweaking something else in the script?

  44. February 20, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Hi, just letting you know that in the Office on the Eve of St. Matthias for Evening Prayer on Thursday, 2/23 the reading for Revelation 21: 1-4: 9-14 is the right book and verses, but the Scripture beneath it is not that reading. It is from somewhere else, but is not that reading.

    Also, given that the Friday is the Holy Day of St. Matthias, it is also the Friday after Ash Wednesday. I do think there should be a Confession and Absolution on that day. So far it is not showing one. Maybe I am thinking too much. It happens often.

    • February 23, 2012 at 6:27 pm

      Ok–the reading is fixed. The state of the Confession should depend on your confession settings.

  45. William Loring
    February 21, 2012 at 5:12 am

    In tonight’s office (2/20): in Psalm 9:7b “this throne”, should be “his throne”; and in the Frederick Douglass collect (Traditional) “Almighty God, whose truth makest us free” should be “Almighty God, whose truth maketh us free”.
    As one who makes more than my fair share of typos, I have never understood how what should be a simple cut and paste operation acquires new errors

    • February 23, 2012 at 6:32 pm

      Fixed the Psalm and the collect.

  46. William Loring
    February 21, 2012 at 5:21 am

    And looking ahead to 2/21 the collect ending should be “thou livest and reignest…” not “thou liveth and reigneth…”, Earlier in the prayer “speaks” should have been “speaketh” but that was the SCLM’s screw up so I guess we are stuck with it.

    • February 23, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      Fixed them–and “speaketh”

      That’s not the only dropping of Rite I in HWHM–you can tell they composed it all in contemporary language then went back to “antique” them for Rite I rather than recomposing them thoroughly in Rite I language…

  47. William Loring
    February 22, 2012 at 4:27 am

    Oh and BTW Newman was never a Bishop, Cardinal yes, but not a Bishop; like the late Cardinal Bea SJ.

  48. William Loring
    February 25, 2012 at 5:04 am

    In today’s (2/24) collect, “Almighty God, who into the place of Judas didst choose thy faithful servant Matthias to be numbered of the number of the Twelve:” the3 first ‘numbered’ is extraneous.
    This perhaps more an editorial matter but the first rubric on p. 61 (and the equivalent on p. 115) suggest to me that the ‘proper’ sentences from MP should also be used at EP with the generic sentences at EP being used in ordinary seasons

  49. William Loring
    February 25, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    I wrote a comment last night which seems to be lost in cyberspace, so I’ll try again

    The (Rite I version) of the Matthias Collect has “numbered of the number . . .”; ‘numbered’ is not only awkward, but not part of the prescribed collect at all.

    Also, I understand the first rubric at Evening Prayer (both Rites) as a nudge towards using the ‘proper’ opening sentences for seasons and holy days at MP and EP, with the generic EP sentences for use in ordinary time. This would continue in practice the 1928 usage (albeit with occasionally different sentences).


  50. William Loring
    February 27, 2012 at 12:39 am

    The Rite I version of the Lent I collect looks like a sloppy attempt to ‘antique’ Rite
    ii (two ‘you’-s instead of ‘thou’ and ‘thee’ respectively.

  51. William Loring
    March 19, 2012 at 3:46 am

    “Being made the Chief Bishop,* he dreaded not earthly things, but pressed on gloriously unto the kingdom of heaven.”
    I don’t have all my breviaries handy, but I cannot find this antiphon for Joseph in any of them that I do have at hand; nor can I see how it is possibly relevant to him, so I really do wonder whence it came,

  52. March 19, 2012 at 3:58 am

    Okay here are my suggestions for St. Joseph. I hope they are helpful.

    For the Canticle of Zechariah I chose: “Joseph, Son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife.”

    For the Canticle of Mary I chose: “Jesus went down with Mary and Joseph to Nazareth and was obedient to them.”

    I chose them, because I did think what was provided did not make sense. Most of the antiphons come from the Scriptures used for the Holy Day.

    I hope this is helpful.

    • March 19, 2012 at 4:22 am

      Fixed; here are the actual choices:

      First Vespers: Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the Angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took to him his wife.
      Morning Prayer: Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, (as was supposed,) the son of Joseph.
      Evening Prayer: Behold a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord has made ruler over His household.

  53. Fr. Bill Loring
    March 25, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Once again I do not understand how your Script is working (or maybe not working) Last week you displaced Sunday Evensong for I Evensong of Joseph; This week we didn’t get so much as a commemoration of the Annunciation, a much higher ranking feast than Joseph,

  54. March 25, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    According to the Kalendar of the Episcopal Church & The Lectionary Page http://www.lectionarypage.net/ , because the Fifth Sunday of Lent is on March 25th, the Annunciation gets transferred to Monday, March 26th. Therefore, the Morning and Evening Prayers should be for the Annunciation. As of this moment, they do not mention the Annunciation at all in the St. Bede’s Breviary for Monday, March 26th.

  55. William Loring
    March 26, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Where is the Annunciation?

  56. March 26, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    I already posted on this on the main page and on the index page of the breviary. If you want to use the material for the Annunciation today, set your date as the 27th.

  57. March 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    I respect your decision to do what you feel is right, however, I do disagree. What should be followed is what the Episcopal Church’s Kalendar said, which is that the Annunciation takes place on Monday, March 26th, and oh well, the Evening Prayer I, just doesn’t get said. In my opinion, that breaks with the Community of the Episcopal Church, which is far more important than a rubric or what ever. The Annunciation should have been put up for today, and tomorrow should have been Tuesday of the Fifth Week in Lent. To do otherwise, is just sloppy liturgy.

    So, that is how I am doing it, which means I have had to write my own Antiphons for the Tuesday, because I don’t know what they are otherwise.

    • Jonathan
      March 26, 2012 at 7:12 pm

      But according to the Episcopal Kalendar the 26th is reserved for a Richard something-or-other of the African Methodist Episcopal Church (see HWHM). Although if one is following HWHM one will be using the readings appointed for Lenten Weekdays for the Eucharist and the lesser commemorations don’t have appointed office readings.

      That’s the difficulty with crafting each year’s Ordo, the end results are deeply dependent on what feasts are on the list and what liturgical preferences one brings to the task, and what comes from Church Publishing is by no means authoritative.

      • William Loring
        March 27, 2012 at 5:38 am

        I don’t know what ” Episcopal Church’s Kalendar ” is being cited; I am only aware of several semi-official ones (which do not always agree). The BCP calls for transfer to ‘ the next convenient open day’ which be would Wednesday if lesser feasts are not considered ‘open’, or Monday if they are (at least when only provisional). In any case the rubrics also say in effect one can observe them any day of the week.
        For me the issue is consistency — Joseph was observed on Monday with an Eve on Sunday (i.e.proper antiphons, Collect before Sunday’s &c. (though no proper psalms or lessons) and I would certainly give Our Lord and his Mother the same privilege (+the psalms and lessons provided).
        Anyway, than ks for doing the work, even if we don’t always agree on the details.

  58. William Loring
    March 27, 2012 at 3:47 am

    OK, found it; but I guess it’s back to St Claire tomorrow!

  59. William Loring
    April 29, 2012 at 4:09 am

    Looking back, I see I haven’t bugged you for a month or so — but the first Lesson for 2/29 MP is correctly identified as from Exodus but the text provided is from Ecclesiasticus.

  60. William Loring
    May 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Just noticed that the antiphon on Benedictus (Rite I) was cut off in mid word.

  61. William Loring
    May 19, 2012 at 4:01 am

    On Wed morning and again tonight (Fri) the readings were not from the lectionary. I haven’t looked ahead yet, but is there another bog in the script?

  62. William Loring
    May 19, 2012 at 4:02 am

    I should have been more specific in the previous post; in both cases the problem was only with the NT reading.

  63. William Loring
    May 19, 2012 at 4:06 am

    Now I have looked ahead; we have another reading from 2 Cor. for Sat. EP instead of Eph.

  64. May 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    No–this is an entirely new bug; thanks for finding it! It’s fixed and now I’m going to tackle the other bug…

  65. William Loring
    May 27, 2012 at 3:31 am

    Looking ahead to MP for Pentecost I note that the heading for the Opening Sentence is there but the sentence itself is missing.

  66. May 27, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Pentecost opening sentence bug fixed–thanks!

  67. William Loring
    May 29, 2012 at 1:46 am

    I had rather hoped to find the First BCP posted for Tuesday.

  68. William Loring
    June 4, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    The Rite I Collect for John XXIII is badly enough botched in the official version (your instead of thy twice) but the breviary also changes reigneth (correct) to reignest.
    Let me piggyback another comment onto this — I have enjoyed reading your recent articles in TLC. I’m not sure that I wholly buy into your ‘Parish Directory’ image even though I like it, but you have certainly expressed many of my problems with HWHM.

  69. William Loring
    July 21, 2012 at 4:35 am

    Once again we have wring verb agreement in Rite I texts:
    O God, whose Spirit guidest us into all truth and makest us free: Strengthen and sustain us as thou didst thy servants Elizabeth, Amelia, Sojourner and Harriet. Give us vision and courage to stand against oppression and injustice and all that worketh against the glorious liberty to which thou callest all thy children; through Jesus Christ our Savior, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.
    should be “guideth” and “maketh” as it is in HWHM.
    And in the morning we have:
    Eternal God, we offer thanks for the witness of Chief Luthuli, Nobel Laureate for Peace, who wast sustained….
    instead of “was sustained”
    HWHM sometimes misses on these things too, but nowhere nearly so often as whatever source you are using (Wohler?) does.

    • July 21, 2012 at 12:35 pm

      My thanks! Slowly but surely we fix them all… No, I typed in the Rite II texts, then adapted them with a combination of search & replace and hand editing; you’re helping me hunt down the hand edits I unfortunately missed…

  70. William Loring
    August 6, 2012 at 4:40 am

    And a different one: Transfiguration Eve has proper psalm and lessons.

  71. Wilfried
    August 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Unless I’m seriously missing something, I think I’m getting the wrong readings. I chose “1 morning reading/2 evening readings.” For morning prayer, I get Judges. In the evening I get 2 Samuel and Acts. So I get two OT readings, one from the opposite year, and no Gospel. If I check “Keep the Gospel in the evening…” I get Judges in the Morning, 2 Samuel and John in the evening, and no Acts/Epistle. It’s been like this for at least several days, though the reading for yesterday’s Feast of the Transfiguration were correct. Am I missing something, doing something wrong, or can it be fixed?

    I should add that I’ve been using this off and on on my iPad, and am really glad I found this wonderful tool!

  72. William Loring
    August 10, 2012 at 4:16 am

    Someone else raised this issue on Feb 13 2012 — Look at the comments on and just after that date for a full discussion, Note, incidentally, that the rubrics do not actually allow this configuration but if you stretch that point then it should be NT in the am and OT (current year) + other NT in the pm. To my mind the 79 lectionary for the office is good for the Psalms and NT but eliminates way too much of the OT/apocrypha — 2 daily OT readings for each year would restore decent coverage of the whole Bible and the best of the apocrypha

  73. Wilfried
    August 10, 2012 at 4:48 am

    Thank you for your reply. The above was a little hard to follow, but Derek already noted that if there are three readings, they should all be from the current year. Can this be corrected, never mind the rubrical correctness of one reading in the morning and two in the evening? I generally only get to say the Office in the evening, alas, so it’d be nice to have two readings from the current year, rubrical correctness aside. As it is, this isn’t possible.

    The rubrics also allow three readings if the Office is only said once. Allowing three readings might be the ideal solution. I could then read all three, or simply pick two. Since I say the Offices alone, I’m not too concerned with the rubrical correctness of the readings I choose. Thanks for your attention, and for providing this website.

  74. August 10, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Ok–I’m working on this and will try and get it fixed soon. Actually, Fr. Loring, the rubric does not prohibit this arrangement. The relevant line says “Two of the Readings may be used in the morning and one in the evening…” I see this as a use of the “normative may” which indicates what is typical and usual (as opposed to the “permissive may,” the “declarative are/is/says/follows,” or an actual imperative). The 1/2 configuration is not ruled out, it is simply passed over without remark.

    Yeah, the only way to accomplish it is a reorganization/reload of the lectionary tables then corresponding code changes. This may take a little bit.

  75. (Rev) Wm D. Loring
    August 12, 2012 at 4:08 am

    I agree, Derek, the rubric does not actually prohibit the 1/2 arrangement, I should have said ‘do not provide for’ rather than ‘do not allow.’ In the meantime, Wilfried, you might try opening, http://www.satucket.com/lectionary/index.htm, in another tab and get your lessons from there in whatever order you want.

  76. Wilfried
    August 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Thanks, that will work well enough. One of the beauties however of this Breviary is how it puts it all together, with no muss, no fuss, and most of all, no flipping. I hope this gets worked out, and thank you for working on it.

  77. William Loring
    September 4, 2012 at 2:10 am

    Psalm 9:7b — ‘this throne’ should be ‘his throne’

  78. September 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Thanks–got it. I recently reloaded the contemporary-language psalms table to fix a number of errors, a few others may have resurfaced.

    OT lesson work continues…

  79. William Loring
    September 15, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Your link for James Chisolm, Priest, 1855, actually links to the Wikipedia article for James Chisolm, Bishop (of Dunblane), 1545(or 46) — a not particularly holy character as described there.

  80. Diane Amison-Loring
    September 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Hi, I don’t think that today is an Ember Day.
    Ember Days are this week, just not Tuesday…Three meatless days are enough, I think. We don’t need one more. 🙂

  81. William Loring
    September 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    What on earth is an a’ember Tuesday”? My BCP says Ember days are Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday in the stated weeks,.

  82. September 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    What is it? That’s easy–it’s a bug in the code… 😀

    Crap… I don’t recall seeing this error before I’m hoping it’s trying to do an eve (which obviously i shouldn’t do…); I have a vestry meeting tonight and will try and hunt it down after that.

  83. William Loring
    September 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Probably not just an eve — it showed up at MP also.

  84. William Loring
    October 2, 2012 at 4:17 am

    My BCP still has “angels and men[not mortals]” for Rite I on Micharlmass Of course not even the Custodian knows what the actual BCP is anymore but I think my copy is correct on this.

  85. William Loring
    October 12, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Psalm 35:11 Sihon, king of the Amorites, and Og, the kingdoms of Bashan, *
    and all the kings of Canaan.” Should read ‘…Og, the king of Bashan…’

  86. Jan Rogozinski
    November 5, 2012 at 3:23 am

    I choose preferences and then save them. But the program does not save my preferences and instead reverts back to the default preference.. The problem starts with the with the item called “Final Prayers” and afterwards, especially in the final section–additions not in the BCP.

    The problem is that you gave me a choice, but then the machine won’t save my choice. Which is, in some ways, more frustrating than not being given a choice.

  87. William Loring
    November 20, 2012 at 5:26 am

    There is a typo in the Hilda collect (Rite I): ‘Give us the grace to recognize and accept the varied gifts thee bestow on men and women, that our common life may be enriched and thy gracious will be done;’ should be ‘thou bestowest’..

  88. William Loring
    November 24, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Haven’t looked further ahead, but MP and EP for today are using psalms, readings, and collects for next week. This morning also gives holy days which belong on 12/14 and 11/25 respectively. (My preferences are Rite I with the HWHM calendar

    • November 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm

      This Saturday always gives me a massive headache. It is fixed now though–and shouldn’t recur next year, either!

  89. William Loring
    November 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Thanks a lot, but I still don\’t understand why Juan de la Cruz (John of the Cross), Mystic, 1591 and James Otis Sargent Huntington, Priest and Monk, 1935 are there today. Incidentally I note that Forward Movement\’s version of the Office had a similar problem,

  90. William Loring
    November 25, 2012 at 4:24 am

    Actually you are now a week behind — at least for EP (I didn’t check the rest).

  91. William Loring
    November 25, 2012 at 4:49 am

    I have checked Sunday MP and it is on track

  92. William Loring
    December 2, 2012 at 3:33 am

    I know the BCP is inconsistent, but since the lectionary continues Year 2 through tonight why are we asked to read Luke twice and Philippians not at all?

  93. William Loring
    December 9, 2012 at 5:28 am

    Your psalms and lessons (Lectionary psalter) for Eve of 2 Advent are a week behind, I do hope to find the right ones in the morning.

  94. William Loring
    December 9, 2012 at 5:41 am

    Looking ahead I do find the morning proper to be OK, but I also noted that the sdript had last week;s collect as well as the readings.

  95. William Loring
    December 16, 2012 at 2:58 am

    A hat trick tonight: Collect of the Day is from last week; collect for Horden has ‘holdeth’ instead of ‘hold’; collect for McDonald has ‘reignest’ inatead of ‘reigneth’.

  96. Jonathan
    December 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    I noticed again today that it seems like the Te Deum is always the first canticle at morning prayer for me, and I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t be. I’m using the OJN kalendar with the simplified cycle of canticles. If you need to know about more of my settings, let me know.

    • January 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

      That’s definitely an error–I’ll look into it.

  97. William Loring
    December 26, 2012 at 5:15 am

    No Te Deum Christmas morning (I use the modified Table preference), no NT Lesson in the Evening (Due to a typo in the citation) and then no commemoration of St. Stephen. All best wishes for Christmas tide anyway!
    Re Jonathan’s comment: I can’t think of any scheme that would have used Te Deum on an Advent feria.

    • January 1, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      The Te Deum is an issue–I need to give Christmas a different code to make that work properly. NT citation is corrected now. As far as the Commemoration of Stephen goes, according to some authorities there is no First Vespers of these feasts due to perpetual impedence. I’m now trying to locate where I saw that. I note the English Office has heard the same thing, but a commemoration is given in the Anglican Breviary. I’ll have to hunt this one down…

      • William Loring
        January 2, 2013 at 2:55 am

        The traditional practice (n the Sarum, Roman (pre-Vat.II) and Monastic (also pre-Vat.II) breviaries was to limit I Vespers for the 4 feasts after Christmas (including Becket) to a commemoration so that each of them would at least have one Vespers. In the Post-Vat.II Office the feasts have day hours only with Vespers being of the Christmas Octave (except on the Sunday). The Anglican Brev. follows the older style and the current BCP Lectionary does the same (I read the provision for Collects on the eves of feasts to cover a commemoration in this case) so I think this is our best practice.

  98. William Loring
    December 27, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    I would also note that the invitatory antiphon of Christmas is appointed for the whole 12 days of the season with no alternative provision for occurring feasts.

    • January 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      I’d disagree with your interpretation. The 3 feasts are all reckoned as Major Feasts on p. 17, and thus are supposed to have their particular antiphon per the direction regarding “other Major Feasts” on 44. Here the particular (festal) takes precedence over the seasonal (Christmas). Would you, by the same logic, deny festal antiphons to feasts of apostles falling within the Easter season? I wouldn’t.

      • William Loring
        January 2, 2013 at 2:16 am

        As I’ve said before, you are the editor/webmaster. But, I base my interpretation on the actual wording of the relevant rubrics: For Christmas it reads “On the twelve days of Christmas” (not just ‘from Christmas Day until the Epiphany’) and this seems to me to preclude other invitatories during the 12 days which are all treated as festal with e.g. proper psalms at the Office.. By contrast the rubrics for the Easter/Ascension invitatories use the latter type of formula, and the specific provision of ‘alleluia’ for use in Eastertide with “other Major Feasts” makes clear that the particular antiphons take precedence in that season. I would agree that the other selections might be justified for the three days after Christmas; but Holy Name is so closely linked to the Nativity itself (and not just the Incarnation generally) that I would not think of using any other invitatory on that day.

        This is not, of course, the only place where the rubrics are less that crystal clear (and not one where there seems to be deliberate ambiguity to allow choices without being specific), and I am perfectly willing to adapt your provisions when I find it more useful to me that way (and yes I still do eves of lesser feasts on the twofold basis that they are described as “lesser feasts” and not only as “other occasions”, and that the parent use of Sarum did the same with rare exceptions) but I honor your choice not to include them in the Breviary.

        Sorry to run on rather more than I planned.

        Very best wishes for MMXIII

  99. Jonathan
    December 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    FYI there’s a typo in this morning’s psalms (monthly cycle in case that makes a difference). Specifically, Ps. 135:11 reads “… kingdoms of Bashan …” when it should be “… king of Bashan …”.

  100. William Loring
    December 30, 2012 at 3:04 am

    Once again a ‘fatal error’ at the begnning of the Psalm. Although it doesn’t happen every time, I note that these errors are most common when the Psalter selection begins in the middle of a psalm (I use the lectionary psalter) and are balanced as it were by a different (non-fatal) error when the selection ends in the middle of the psalm (as t did this morning). In those instances, and very consistently, the psalm ends at the indicated verse but cuts off without the Gloria or (when used) the antiphon. I am not much of a programmer but I would look at the code governing psalm selection for the problem.
    Christmas blessings

    • January 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm

      Alright–getting back to the regular flow of things… Actually there’s a much simpler explanation here: I’m lacking a row in the database for the eve of Christmas 1! I need to tell it that, when doing the eve of Christmas 1, ignore the day of the week and go by the day of the month…

      • William Loring
        January 2, 2013 at 2:36 am

        Actually everything except the Sundays themselves (not their eves) from Christmas to the Baptism is by day of the month*, not day of the week, and your code was doing fine until it hit the interrupted psalm 18 on the 29th — I really think you need a line there to deal properly with psalms that don’t start at the beginning or end at the end. (And I admit that I don’t have the skill to write it — even if I cold see the rest of your code.)

        *The real complication comes when a Sunday displaces one or more of the three feasts, then some of the dates get moved up one and I would really be stuck writing code for that!

  101. William Loring
    January 2, 2013 at 3:22 am

    A further note on the above:
    If you are interested in the parsing of rubrics you might want to spend some of your copious free time with “Ritual Conformity – Interpretations of the Rubrics of the Prayer-Book” (available free at various sources online including Kindle). It is a Victorian Anglo-Catholic commentary on all the 1662 rubrics in sequential order. #82 deals with the matter of eves (though the 1662 form of the rubric is different from the various American versions. The authors (anon.) do go beyond the rubric to encourage memorials on the eves of Dec. 26, 27, & 28.

  102. William Loring
    January 18, 2013 at 6:10 am

    The collect for Anthony (Rite I) begins, “O God, WHO. . . .”

  103. William Loring
    January 29, 2013 at 4:40 am

    Thomas Aquinas (like J H Newman) was never bishop — the antiphon on the psalms (according to your usual scheme) would be Domine quinqua talenta. . . .

  104. William Loring
    March 4, 2013 at 5:13 am

    Haven’t bugged you for a month, so here are a couple of little things I’ve noticed recently.
    The St. Matthias Collect (Rite I) has too many numbers in it. This is just a question, and more on editing than a bug, but I am really curious about the source of the ferial antiphons on the Gospel Canticles you are using this Lent. the older breviaries and the new RC one base their antiphons on the Gospel for the day (LFF/HWHM uses most of the same Gospels as the new RC; the older brev’s had different selections); but your choices don’t seem to relate to this pattern at all (though they do usually fit the broad seasonal theme)

  105. frbill37
    March 16, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Your script lost track of the psalms this morning (antiphon was there but nothing else), I use Rite 1, lectionary psalms with hymns and antiphons.

    • March 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      Oops… I’ll see what caused that. And yes, the Lenten ferial Gospel canticle antiphons are a house blend, taken primarily from the chapters of the Lenten brevisry offices.

  106. frbill37
    March 17, 2013 at 2:50 am

    Thanks for checking the psalm, and for telling me the source of your Lent antiphons. Since I already made myself a set based on the LFF Gospels II’ll continue to use that but the
    alternatives now make sense too..

  107. William Loring
    March 30, 2013 at 3:52 am

    Lady Day (Annunciation) seems to be missing. It would transfer from Holy Week to a day in Low Week (i.e. April 8 – 12 inclusive), but I went through the whole week without finding it. I realize that this kind of transfer is very difficult for a script to deal with absent some tinkering; I hope that tinkering will happen.

    • April 4, 2013 at 12:46 am

      You’re right, it is missing. I have code built in to deal with holy days that fall into the Holy Week/Easter octave blackout period but this has been my firstc hance to test it. Clearly it needs tweaking…

  108. Jan Rogozinski
    April 4, 2013 at 2:24 am

    In fact, what you call “Lady Day” commemorates the incarnation. It is an infinitely more important feast day than Easter. Without the incarnation, there would have been no body to be crucified and no body to rise again.

    The problem with “translation” is that no one does that any more in the US. Protestants never have week-day services, and the Catholic bishops have now moved every feast day to the nearest Sunday.

    Here in Florida, the only denomination that commerated the Incarnation this year was the Greek Orthodox, who celebrated the feaast on the 25th. This makes me very sad. If one does not believe in the Nicean creed and other “one person with two natures” statements, how can one say one is a Christian?

    I’ll see if I can check the schedules of some European cathedrals to see whether they also forgot the entire point of Christianity.

  109. Br. William Francis Jones, BSG
    April 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Seeing as how the whole of “H.W.H.M.” is for trial use, I am wondering if you will be adding in the seven additional commemorations for trial usage authorized at the G.C. 2012 to that section of the data base?

  110. May 18, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    I just looked ahead to Morning Prayer for Pentecost and got Morning Prayer for Monday after Proper 1 instead with Psalm 100 instead of the Venite and no antiphon for the Benedictus. (The word “Antiphon:” appears with no text following it before and after the canticle.

    Today’s Morning Prayer seemed okay.

    • frbill37
      May 18, 2013 at 6:59 pm

      I have had a three week period where many of my preference selections were simply ignored. This happened on 3 or 4 different Computers (all Windows 7 or Vista) and with 4 different browsers so it cannot have been dependent on just quirks in my hard or software). Exampes included loss of Regina Coeli and Opening Sentences, Suffrages (sometimes giving the non-selected form) and antiphons,, movement of Lesser Feasts from observance to commemoration,and occaional insertion of non-selected additions. Fortunately I did get the right readings and psalms and kept my online BCP (and HWHM) available to fill in what I couldn’t do from memory. Then two days afo it all normalized again. Am I the onlh one sho had this experience?
      I am using Rite I, 79 Psalter, modified Canticle Table (these al did work) but yhen a series of narrower options, most of which did not. One other thing; I consistently went back to Preferences and found that my choices had been changed to conform to what I was getting, after changing them back they would change again but not necessarily quite the same way as before.

      • May 22, 2013 at 8:32 pm

        I’m going to try and get the preference bug dealt with once and for all this week.

    • frbill37
      May 18, 2013 at 7:02 pm

      I’ll leave it to Derek to answer the rst of your comments. but perhaps you haven’t noticed that he always use Psalm 100 on the 19th of the month because Psalm 95 begins the MP Selection on that day for those who use the 30-day Psalm cycle. BTW since it is the last day of Eastertide I normally use Pasch Nostra on Pentecost.

  111. May 22, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I use the 8-week Psalter cycle with antiphons, but this morning got an antiphon before and after only the first section of Psalm 119 assigned for Morning Prayer. Should there be three sets of antiphons, or should the single antiphon be read before the first section and after the last section of the Psalm?

    • May 22, 2013 at 8:31 pm

      There should be an antiphon for each section. I’ll check on this.

  112. frbill37
    May 24, 2013 at 2:28 am

    “There should be an antiphon for each section.” I know this is your usual practice but I never really understood why; antiphons for groups of psalms are quite common in many breviarues, and make more sense to me when the number of psalms varies from one to four or five. It also allows dist ributing antiphons among the offices, and including antiphons for the 1st canticle, rather than just repeating them. Again, however, you’re the webmaster, and you give us a lot to like.

  113. frbill37
    May 24, 2013 at 2:30 am

    I noted this morning that you gave Copernicus and Kepler the same death date — Kepler should have been 1630. This is not on you, but it seems to me that Isaac Newton should be in that group also.

  114. frbill37
    May 24, 2013 at 2:32 am

    Just to let ou know, the preferences are still holding up. Thank you.

  115. frbill37
    June 19, 2013 at 3:46 am

    Tonight’s psalm (78), vs. 58 begins ‘They”, not ‘The’.

  116. June 19, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Thanks–fixed it!

  117. frbill37
    July 26, 2013 at 4:49 am

    ou may not believe it but I don’t reqlly enjoy being the gadfly. Nonetheless, we are Anglicans, not Quakers, and the Traditional language collect for St. James Major should read “… we pray that thou wilt pour …”, not “… thee will ;;;”.

  118. frbill37
    July 26, 2013 at 4:51 am

    Pardon the typos above; my screen has lost its usual contrast level and I coundn’t see them well until after it posted.

  119. July 26, 2013 at 5:10 am

    No, I owe you quite a bit for your willingness to point out issues! It’s fixed now.

  120. September 16, 2013 at 2:16 am

    It was really great to meet and talk tonight — I hope there will be an opportunity to do it again with Meredith.
    I do , however, have a couple of proofs for you. The 2nd Lesson tonight is John 11:45-57 (not 45-47) and in the Collect for Chisholm (Rite I) fades should be fadeth.
    Again, we both enjoyed meeting you, ajnd out best to all of you.

    • September 16, 2013 at 4:04 pm

      It was delightful meeting you and Diane, and certainly hope we can do it again!

      I’ll get those fixes in…

  121. frbill37
    September 19, 2013 at 3:28 am

    Oh my, now no Ember Days? If memory serves in the past we were oversupplied with Ember collects (Evening as well as Morning) but today I failed to find any.

    • September 19, 2013 at 1:34 pm

      Yikes–that’s an index of how crazy life has gotten–I didn’t even notice I missed that one. The programming has been fixed and you are once again oversupplied.

      Remind me–why is having the Ember Days in the evening an oversupply? It’s still the same day and ferias–including major ones–are reckoned from midnight to midnight.

  122. frbill37
    September 19, 2013 at 3:36 am

    Just looked ahead at Thursday’s Office and there was the Ember Day, a day late, but only a small glitch in the script.
    BTW The preferences are now working for MP on the new machine, but EP still has gaps whether I use the old preference table or the new one.

    • September 19, 2013 at 1:35 pm

      Where are the EP gaps?

      • frbill37
        September 21, 2013 at 4:39 am

        Although I keep trying to select all three (they disappear when I reopen the preferences) I usually do not get the Opening Sentence, the Preces, (neither A nor B), or the Collect for Mission (not a large loss since the program only actually provides one of the three and I do rotate them — but at least it would be a reminder). I’ve been continuing with the server based form. but the same thing happened (maybe slightly different gaps) with the new local based preferences — my big problem with that is its tendency to assume I should be saying Compline when I haven’t yet prayed EP or Noonday when I need to say MP.

        BTW, I erred in our conversation Sunday; the Prodigal Son is not in the Ordinary cycle but on Lent IV C — your Rector didn’t miss it at all.

  123. frbill37
    September 22, 2013 at 4:20 am

    Sorry but the commemoration tonight is of Proper 20, not Proper 19 (and while I could never see commemorating previous Sundays on other feasts the eve of the Sunday really should be kept on a Saturday feast).

  124. frbill37
    September 22, 2013 at 4:23 am

    frbill37 :
    Sorry but the commemoration tonight is of Proper 20, not Proper 19 (and while I could never see commemorating previous Sundays on other feasts the eve of the Sunday really should be kept on a Saturday feast).

    I should have specified Saturday night, the conversion of postings to UMT can be a bit confusing.

  125. frbill37
    September 22, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Derek, you really do have to check the section of you script that selects collects: You are still running last Sunday, and yesterday (Ember Sat.) and then commemorating today (9/22)!

    • September 22, 2013 at 4:45 pm

      I checked it last night and it was fine! This is very strange…

  126. September 22, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Ok–I figured it out. I hadn’t made the change to the Mobile version. Now it should be just fine.

  127. frbill37
    September 22, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    The collects are fine now )I rechecked both MP & EP, but they were both weird when we said MP at about 11:00 today. I was using Mobile (on my laptom, because I find it a bit easier to read perhaps the problem was specific.

  128. frbill37
    September 28, 2013 at 3:12 am

    What happened to Vincent nDePaul and Thomas Taherne, both on the calendar for 9/27?

  129. frbill37
    September 28, 2013 at 4:20 am

    Once again I am missing today;s saints. Otherwise My preferences seem to b e working OK except for the occasional loss of opening sentences at EP. Here are my current preference codes: 122111121400120321101122102012111122111100000 Do you see anything that would account for those gaps? (I’m sure I made the proper selections, I’m not sure that they all were read in properly.)

    • September 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      Yes, the code is not set correctly for HWHM. There seem to be issues with Safari’s implementation of the preferences. I will send you an email that can clear this up.

      • frbill37
        September 28, 2013 at 9:20 pm

        I\’ll look for your further email, but also I should note that I am using Chrome, not safari, in case that makes a difference here,

  130. September 29, 2013 at 2:24 am

    That did the trick, but disclosed another inconsistency: If we are keeping Michaelmas on the Sunday (which my parish is — Deo Gratias) then we should also keep, not merely commemorate, the eve tonight (Saturday)..

  131. frbill37
    September 29, 2013 at 4:30 am

    And one other thing, in the Collect it is ‘mortals’ in Rite II but Rite I spares us the PC stuff and still has ‘angels and men’.

  132. frbill37
    October 2, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Haven’t seen this message for a while, but here it is this morning:
    Fatal error: Call to a member function free() on a non-object in /home/content/49/5261249/html/breviary/MP_79_BCP.php on line 353

  133. November 16, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    The reading from Mark 16:21-28 (NRSV). Did not appear in tonight’s evening prayer. Morning readings and tomorrow evening’s readings do appear

    • November 19, 2013 at 4:50 am

      I noticed that tolol, and soon realized (a) that the dcitation should have been from Matthew, and (b) that Mark ends before reaching 16:21 (how far before depends on which underlying MS is being used) so there was no lesson to print.

      Turning to 11/19 I’m wondering why we are commemorating Hilda after celebrating her on 11/18 (she doesn’t get an octave in any calendar I know of except where she is either Patron or Titular). On the other hand I notice you did get the (Rite I) Collect right today (and I hope it will now stay that way in the future).

      • November 19, 2013 at 4:53 am

        I hope the typos above aren’t too confjusing. Line 1 should have said:
        I noticed that too, and soon realized (a) that the citation

  134. frbill37
    November 25, 2013 at 4:20 am

    There seem to be some new and better bugs in your Script. Last night’s EP had the same psalm and lessons (including the mis-citation of Mark instead of Matthew) as the week before, and topday we had memorials of Huntington (whose day is tomorrow when he appears again) and of John of the Cross (this is his feast in the Roman Calendar, but our calendar keeps the obit, (Dec 14) — when I trust he will magically reappear). And, of course we had the double observance of Hilda last week. I am sure you know the various TEC Calendars as well as anyone, but that nasty bug is certainly playing games with your knowledge.
    While speaking of Calendars, I would note that TEC has two authorized calendars, not three.– the 1979 version has been fully and officially superseded by the finally approved additions and variations incorporated in the final issue of Lesser Feasts and Fasts; while HWHM gives all the authorized trial use variants since then.

    • November 25, 2013 at 12:24 pm

      For some reason this is always the worst week of the year—I’ll check things over again.

  135. frbill37
    November 27, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    You’re right, it is a tricky week; no antiphon for the final section of Ps, 119 this morning (OK, I use my own amplified set of Sarum based antiphons so not a problem for me, but noted anyway) and no eve for Thanksgiving, even though the BCP treats it as a Feast. A quick look ahead, however, shows that tomorrow seems to be OK.

  136. December 7, 2013 at 5:35 am

    More from your compulsive proofreader:
    In the Nicholas collect the ‘who’ in the opening clause is misplaced, should read, “Almighty God, who in thy love didst give thy servant Nicholas of Myra… ”
    Also, in the evening V&R for Advent I have always seen them rendered as, “…pour down Righteousness.” and “…bring forth Salvation.” which I think is much more logical in thiws context than ‘Righteous One’ and ‘Savior.’
    A good Advent and a Happy Christmas to you.

  137. frbill37
    December 9, 2013 at 5:48 am

    More proofing: Last night we had the Collect of Adv. I instead of Adv. II and tonight we had the (non-existent) Reading from 2 Thessalonians 5:1-12 — should be 15-12.

  138. frbill37
    December 15, 2013 at 4:08 am

    Where did you get the Lesson citation for tonight (Eve Advent III) At least you had a non-existent passage so we had to check it and find that the lectionary actually calls for Rev. 3:1-6.

  139. frbill37
    December 15, 2013 at 4:21 am

    And the Sundays of Advent have First Evensongs just like any other Sunday (except possibly Easter) — the script also missed this last week.
    Diane and I still love you anyway though.

    • December 16, 2013 at 2:55 am

      My apologies! Things have been even crazier around the house than usual. The Nutcracker was this weekend and with all four of us dancing, time has been very short! Between that ending and the book being done I will have more time and will start on breviary fixes tomorrow.

  140. frbill37
    December 16, 2013 at 3:42 am

    Sounds like fun at least, though obviously time consuming. BTW, I admit I haven’t gotten to reading it yet, but I see that you and your rector have both contributed to the current Anglkican — are you a member?

  141. December 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    The Feast of the Nativity and no Te Deum?
    Happy Christmas to you and the family!

  142. December 29, 2013 at 12:48 am

    No antiphon for the Magnificat tonight.

    • December 29, 2013 at 1:00 am

      Yikes! Should be fixed now. Thanks!

  143. frbill37
    January 6, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Christmas has run its 12 day course, and Epiphany has its own opening sentences — haven’t looked at the rest of the office yet.

    • January 6, 2014 at 5:55 pm

      You’re right–missed that this morning. It’s fixed now.

  144. frbill37
    January 7, 2014 at 5:46 am

    And no, Christmas (with its opening sentences) does not magically rise again after Epiphany,
    And BTW /proper/ sentences are for both morning and evening use; the ones at EP are legal anytime, but are intended for ordinary times (like the final groip at MP)

    • January 7, 2014 at 11:42 am

      Perhaps we’re leaving the Christmas things up through the Presentation?

      Alright, this should be changed now…

      Yes, the Opening Sentences at EP are legal any time. I’ve not heard before the idea that they’re intended for ordinary times. What’s your source for that?

  145. January 17, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    Collect for Anthony (Traditional) begins “O God, who by thy Holy Spirit….”, not :O God, by thy Holy Spirit…”
    As to the sentences at EP, I think it is an appropriate inference from the rubric: “The Officiant begins the service with one or more of the following sentences of Scripture, or of those on pages 37-40;” (p.61 — cf also p. 115) since most of those sentences — and none of the ones on pp. 61f. or 115f. — are related to specific seasons or feasts.

  146. January 18, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    “Perhaps we’re leaving the Christmas things up through the Presentation?”
    The creche and the star certainly; but most other things can properly move on.

  147. frbill37
    January 28, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Thomas Aquinas (like J H Newman) was never bishop — the antiphon on the psalms (according to your usual scheme) would be Domine quinqua talenta. . .
    This comment from last January still applies.

  148. frbill37
    January 31, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    Have you changed your script or was this a hiccujp? Usually you include the bracketed psalms (with the Lectionary option) but last night you only gave Ps. 118 and not 59-60.

    Incidentally, since you chair the Calendar Committee, is there any chance of putting Shoemaker on his proper date (Oct 31)?

  149. February 1, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    No! No! No! Presentation ALWAYS takes precedence over a Sunday (now that the poor old -gesimas are gone– and even that wouldn’t apply this year).

    • February 1, 2014 at 11:10 pm

      I know–it was a minor ranking glitch. It’s fixed now.

  150. February 1, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    Evening prayer tonight contains the entire psalter. ☺

  151. Caelius Spinator
    May 13, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Keep getting an error like this every couple of days when I pray MP.

    Fatal error: Call to a member function free() on a non-object in /home/content/49/5261249/html/breviary/MP_79_BCP.php on line 426

  152. July 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    Just a typo, but “sow” in this morning’s Gospel antiphon is spelled “sew.”

  153. August 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Didn’t we get enough of Loyola on Thursday?

  154. frbill37
    August 6, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    Please don’t mislead your customers. The Invitatory for Transfiguration is of the Epiphany, not of the incarnation.

  155. October 23, 2014 at 4:05 am

    Three hints that James of The BCPJerusalem is NOT an Aposyle: 1 e BCP Calendar calls him ‘Martyr’; 2 The NT never lists him as an Apostle; 3 his masscalls for the preface of All Saints, not Apostles. So why do we get the antiphons and readings for Apostles?

    • October 23, 2014 at 10:33 am

      Because he was a major figure of the apostolic age, functioning on the same level as the apostles as demonstrated in Acts 15 and other places. I give the same honors to Mary Magdalene for the same reason.

      • November 23, 2014 at 4:29 am

        I accept your statement as factual, but still do not accept your conclusion I’m quite willing to agree to disagree.

  156. November 19, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    Why are we getting Hlda again today? She had her regular office yesterday. (Perhaps this is her date in one of the alternate calendars you use? Even so you are usually consistent in sticking to the selected calendar.

  157. November 23, 2014 at 4:12 am

    Tonight’s psalm & lessons were all repeated from last week; please recheck your script.

  158. November 24, 2014 at 4:18 am

    Sometimes I just don’t understand your script: john of the Cross is on Dec, 14in every current official calendar I can find that lists him at all (including HWHM, which is my selected preference) and J O S Huntington is on the 25th.

  159. November 30, 2014 at 2:38 am

    I know we switch between Gospeel at MP & Epistle at EP in Year II and vice versa in year I,
    but that really shouldn’t mean reading the same Gospel twice as we switch between II and I and the same epistle twice when we switch the other way.

  160. December 7, 2014 at 4:57 am

    What is going on? Tonight i found the right headings and the right commemoration but Psalms, readings, and collect were all from last Sunday’s EP!
    PS. What’s going on in your parish?
    Best wishes for Christmas.

    • December 7, 2014 at 6:42 am

      Good question–I’ll look into it.

      Actually, the girls and I have moved to a new parish now. I have a post in the works on it but time has been short on everything…

      Please give my best to your wonderful wife!

  161. December 26, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Three problems today; one rubrical: Christmas invitatory is appointed for full 12 days, even the feasts; one recommended: Te Deum is recommended or major feasts; and one customary: the three feasts after Christmas all have proper antiphons.
    Bet wishes for Christmastide!

  162. January 18, 2015 at 4:28 am

    I agree that major feasts should take precedence over ordinary Sundays (as they still do in the CofE) but your predecessors on the then Liturgical Commission overruled my protests on that, so why St Peter this Sunday?
    Any chance of fixing this before I have to pray the office ib the morning?

    • January 18, 2015 at 12:10 pm

      Because the rules permit it. Major Feasts can take precedence in green seasons. If you don’t want to do this feast today, then tell it you want Morning Prayer for 1/20/2013.

      • frbill37
        February 20, 2015 at 3:08 am

        Yes, the rules do sort of permit it; but I suspect that most of your regular readers are not in position to readily use this exception (which I suppose proves the rule), and would prefer to keep their office in line with their parish’s usage. Of course the atrnate years option will generally cover the difficulty.

  163. frbill37
    February 20, 2015 at 3:16 am

    I recall a discussion of this a year or two ago, but let me ask again: We regularly get the Holy day collects from WHM (or LFF); can we also get the Lent collects from the same source — after all the same copyright rules apply. My thanks for your considering this.


    • February 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm

      Yeah, they’re all in the database. I thought that I had them set to appear when HWHM was selected as the kalendar but maybe not… I’ll look into this. As you know, I’m not a fan of them because I think they detract from the repetition of the weekly collect. However, they are an official supplemental option going back to Lesser Feasts & Fasts, Revised (1973), so I should provide for their use. I may make them visible with a click as the Litany is now so that those who wish to use them can…

    • February 21, 2015 at 4:13 pm

      Ok–I’ve looked into this. I did have them in, the issue is tht they weren’t going to start until after Lent 1. Programming mix-up, not an opinion on when liturgical celebration of Lent should start…

  164. March 25, 2015 at 3:29 am

    The collect for Annunciation (Rite I) should begin: “We beseech thee , O Lord…” as inthe Angelus.

  165. librarycat
    May 19, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Please do you have a fix for the pop up website that takes over Bede from time to time?

    • May 19, 2015 at 4:40 pm

      How are you getting to it? I’ve not encountered this since the move over. The breviary.stbedeproductions.com address should take you to breviary without any adds or popups.

      Next time this happens, *please* send me a screenshot at haligweorc(at)hotmail.com and I’ll try and figure out what’s going on.

  166. September 7, 2015 at 4:08 am

    Two quick questions:
    Why is the first Supreme Bishop of the PIC titled simply as a priest, and deprived of the antiphons for a bishop?
    Why don’t we get at least the collect for Labor Day? After all work is clearly a Christian virtue.

  167. December 28, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    I know we sometimes differ on interpreting the rubrics, but I do nt see any wiggle room on this one:

    First Sunday after Christmas Day

    This Sunday takes precedence over the three Holy Days which follow
    Christmas Day. As necessary, the observance of one, two, or all three
    of them, is postponed one day.

    Happy Christmastide.

  168. December 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm

    PS. I didn’t mention that I consider that to be one of the most unfortunate rubrics in the 79 BCP, but I also accept the Percy Dearmer dictum that to disregard the plain directions of the BCP is the essence of being “incorrect.” [I paraphrase but I think I’ve got the essence right.]

  169. George Hayhoe
    December 29, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    First, thanks to you for the wonderful work you do in supporting the prayer life of many!

    I noticed this morning that the opening sentence, the psalm and canticle antiphons, and the hymn weren’t those specific to the Christmas octave that I had expected, though the Venite antiphon was. Was this a glitch or intentional?

    • December 30, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      Ok, fine, you guys have finally worn me down… Now that it’s passed, I’ll alter it going forward. But I still intend to transfer the others the way I like!

  170. Diane Amison-Loring
    May 16, 2016 at 4:46 am

    Hi, Monday, May 16, 2016, is the start of proper two, not one, as I read it from the BCP. Please could you fix it? Thanks.

  171. William Loring
    September 4, 2016 at 3:41 am

    I have noticed several occasions lately when your script simply has not kept up with calendar changed from the 2015 GC — e,g,Prudence Crandall (9/3) is now out, and Albert Schweitzer (9/4) is now in (as well as Paul Jones). As I recall you chaired this committee so I hpe that experience will transfer to the breviary. Thanks.

    • September 4, 2016 at 4:32 am

      Actually I am update to date on this–despite my best efforts Prudence Crandall remains on the Calendar. We recommended that a number of people be removed, but the legislative committee refused to remove any of them so the breviary is correct in so far as GC is concerned. Schweitzer was also added with a handful of others.

  172. frbill37
    September 15, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    I must have read recommendations rather than final actions (though the Satucket calendar shows the same results leading me to believe they were final). I apologize for my confusion and any that I caused,

    This morning raised a different problem. Diane and I both use the same options: 122111221400120321101122112012111122111100000
    but got quite different results today: she got the normal office for a martyr on a Thursday, but I the Ember Day Office with commemorations of Cyprian and Chisolm i.e. penitential invitatory, Confession, ferial antiphons, and Ember Collect) and I really wonder how this could have happened. I might also note that the hyperlink on Chisolm led to a 24th c. Scottish bishop, not the Virginia priest.

  173. William Loring
    March 25, 2017 at 2:34 am

    Two comments:
    tonight’s office and the daily Angelus (both Rite I) have 2 different versions of the Annunciation Collect; neither is the BCP version.
    You provide the LFF/HWHM collects for Lenten ferias, can you not also give them as commemorations on the 2 days (St. Joseph and Lady Day) that are normally observed as feasts during Lent?

    • William Loring
      March 25, 2017 at 4:40 pm

      I erred in my earlier post; the collect at the angelus is correct — I misremembered part of it and failed to check the text. Apologies.

  174. frbill37
    April 9, 2017 at 3:48 am

    I think I noticed this before, but did not comment. Why is Gloria Patri missing from today’s office (EP)? No breviary I can find omits it except in the Triduum, and neither the BCP (which is supposed to govern most of your options) nor the current RC “Christian Prayer” allow for omitting it at all — though some BCP instances are optional. Of course, I know the office well enough after 65 years to be able to deal with most such irregularities but I have enough OCD to be put off by them. Still, your scripting skills far exceed mine and I thank you for your work.

  175. April 9, 2017 at 4:12 am

    Omission of the GP is traditional in Passiontide.

    • frbill37
      April 11, 2017 at 6:03 am

      I believe there is a tradition for this at the Mass introit, but in the breviary, I can only find it omitted in the Triduum. If you can cite an example I’d really like to know about it. Anyway, as I said before, the BCP makes some uses of GP optional, but always calls for its use in the opening preces and after the psalter. As Blessed Percy Dearmer once said, the only thing that is incorrect is to disobey the BCP (I paraphrase from memory).

  176. frbill37
    April 24, 2017 at 1:51 am

    Well, you got us this time — you anticipated tonight’s proper yesterday and then repeated it today.

  177. frbill37
    May 17, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    The Collect for Hare was amended by the 2015 GC to make it “understanded of the people.”

  178. frbill37
    June 5, 2017 at 4:32 am

    A real mystery: Diane and I are using exactly the same cookies but for Monda morning she is getting Proper 4 and I am getting proper 5. Reloading doesn’t help. How is this even possible?

  179. frbill37
    June 5, 2017 at 4:52 am

    PS – she opened it earlier than i did, but proper 4 is correct, did you make a wrong change?

  180. frbill37
    November 2, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    Well, I haven’t commented for quite a while — I think your results are better,rather than my just getting lazier — but why do we have two days of ”All faithful Departed”?

  181. frbill37
    November 29, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    What happened to St. Andrew?

  182. frbill37
    December 21, 2018 at 6:14 am

    And what happened to St. Thomas? 2nd Evensong is there but neither 1st Evensong nor Mattins. BTW O Thoma Didyme is the traditional antiphon on Magnificat with O reex gentium for the commemoration of Advent.
    Happy Christmas.

    • frbill37
      December 21, 2018 at 6:15 am

      Correction: rex, not reex.

  183. frbill37
    December 21, 2018 at 7:38 am

    I see Thomas is back!

  184. frbill37
    December 30, 2018 at 5:05 am

    Derek, I really appreciate the work you do on the office, but then tonight’s office (12/29) just died at the Psalter, and St. Andrew makes a mysterious reappearance tomorrow night.

  185. frbill37
    January 29, 2019 at 5:52 am

    I repeat my comment from January 29, 2013 at 4:40 am :
    Thomas Aquinas (like J H Newman) was never bishop — the antiphon on the psalms (according to your usual scheme) would be Domine quinqua talenta. . . .
    Obviously ‘Ecce sacerdos’ found its way back in!

  186. frbill37
    November 8, 2019 at 4:36 am

    Why the collect for Boniface today? We are observing Willibrord.

  187. Rev William D Loring
    December 1, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    We went through last year (i.e. Advent I, 2019 – Week of Prop 29, 2020) with the Gospel at EP, so expected to find the Gospel at MP this week. Then I checked and now we are correct, but last year was wrong. I did not choose the option to cancel the flip. but seen to have been stuck with it anyway — Does your script reverse that choice?

  188. frbill37
    May 2, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    Athanasius is today (5/2) and Cruciger tomorrow. See following portion of the 2018 Calendar:
    2 Athanasius of Alexandria, Bishop and Theologian, 373
    3 [Elisabeth Cruciger, Poet and Hymnographer, 1535]
    4 Monica, Mother of Augustine of Hippo, 387

  189. November 21, 2021 at 3:52 am

    Sadly we didn’t catch it until we had read the whole office, even though it seemed repetitive, but you gave us the psalms and lessons from last week at EP again today. please correct your script before this happens again in 2024. MP was OK.

  190. November 27, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    It will be year 2 again tomorrow, and still no flipflop!

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